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I have loaded these pictures up to contribute to a small discussion on Surfbirds Forums (Advanced ID Questions and Answers) regarding the ageing of large gulls. The discussion focussed on the bird above, which in my opinion is a second winter. The same individual is shown below with its wings open (though under different light conditions). For comparison, examples of other second winter individuals follow; they are not the best photos, but I thought they might help the discussion (which related to the primary and secondary patterns of 2w gulls).
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